Psystar is testing your theory right now. It is 1...

2009-08-17T08:56:36.334-04:00

Psystar is testing your theory right now.

It is 100% illegal by law to sell a product that requires authorization.

Otherwise ...Radio Shack, Walmart, & Target would be selling Apple computers ... at the very least ... the lower end models. Radio Shack would be selling Leopard and promoting it to hack onto netbooks. Radio Shack would be selling Magsafe adapters ... It&

You brought up food labeling, not me.. There's no...

2009-08-16T16:50:25.980-04:00

You brought up food labeling, not me..

There's nothing to prosecute in the gray market, except, possibly, copyright and/or trademark infringement (as the attorney above so kindly posted). He and I agree that there is no patent circumvention here.

Even copyright or trademark infringement, assuming Apple is suitably locally protected there, is probably not criminal

Absolutely, positively wrong ... The gray market ...

2009-07-11T21:33:54.916-04:00

Absolutely, positively wrong ...

The gray market is usually NOT prosecuted.

If you are caught selling to gray market sellers you lose your ability to sell as authorized.

Food items FDA labelling isn't remotely similar to gray market selling.

Bottom line... These adapters are illegal because they circumvent patents.

Do I like it? No!

They "grey market" is legal, by definition. That's...

2009-07-11T21:15:32.927-04:00

They "grey market" is legal, by definition. That's why it's not called the "black market."

The typical distinction is as to manufacturer's warranty. Wikipedia has a good article.

(The label "Not packaged for individual resale" is merely a warning to potential resellers, not a prohibition. It's the government that regulates

To Roman: Don't confuse Apple with selling the Ma...

2009-06-23T06:08:30.789-04:00

To Roman:

Don't confuse Apple with selling the MagSafe pigtail with unauthorized gray market resellers.

I could order all the parts to make Macbook right now. That doesn't make me a licensed reseller.

Here's an example to understand: If you go into a...

2009-06-23T05:59:37.120-04:00

Here's an example to understand:

If you go into a store and buy 100 Boxes of Little Debbie cakes ... can you get out on the street and sell each cake from the box individually ... the boxes are labelled ... "Not packaged for individual resale".

Any person selling a MagSafe cord is a gray market reseller.

My best way to explain this ... If it were

I don't see where they're claiming it to be an App...

2009-06-23T01:13:41.932-04:00

I don't see where they're claiming it to be an Apple product, although there are plenty of knock-offs out there. They're only saying that it uses an original Apple MagSafe cord (which Apple sold).

Does that mean that if I go and buy 100 iMacs, I can't re-sell them because I'm not an authorized re-seller? Apple better take a cruise through craigs list if that's

I was told to come to this forum and view a commen...

2009-06-20T06:26:05.022-04:00

I was told to come to this forum and view a comment on the Magsafe adapter concerning patent and copyright.

To Roman:

Not only does Apple hold a patent on the Magsafe adapter, but they also own a copyright AND trademark for the name Magsafe.

Not only could they pursue licensing but they could enforce the misappropriation of the name by anyone who releases a knock

Bzzzt ... try again ... Anyone selling Apple parts...

2009-06-19T16:49:24.223-04:00

Bzzzt ... try again ... Anyone selling Apple parts must be an authorized Apple reseller ... by your logic ... Kensington, Belkin, targus etc etc would all buy these pigtails and sell the heck out of adapters to fill a huge after market.

This doesn't stop some authorized resellers from secretly selling to the black market.

Since these eBay adapters are made in china ... I

Apple doesn't have to license the MagSafe, but the...

2009-06-19T16:44:05.455-04:00

Apple doesn't have to license the MagSafe, but they sure as hell sell the bare cable without the brick through their parts channels. So I could order 100 cables, stick them on 100 oddball bricks and not violate any patents. So it really all just comes down to it being "ugly".

Actually I don't have to have a perspective from "...

2009-04-28T10:13:00.000-04:00

Actually I don't have to have a perspective from "an engineering" standpoint.

It looks shoddy and I know someone that has used one. It's build quality feels cheap.

Concerning forums... Apple consistently tops user satisfaction surveys ... And as a counterpoint ... there are forums at Mead paper products complaining about paper ... Let me say that again ... Complaining about

I don't think the "Troll" is a Troll, he's got a v...

2009-04-28T01:39:00.000-04:00

I don't think the "Troll" is a Troll, he's got a valid arguement. There is no engineering data you've presented identifying the eBay product as "unsafe". Ugly? yes. Unlicensed? yes. Unsafe? No evidence on this product.

FYI, you may be aware of the quality issues on Apple's own charger! The "real" charger frays at the magsafe end and plastic also melts. Check the apple forums ...

You're obviously a troll ... but I'll respond anyw...

2008-06-08T19:13:00.000-04:00

You're obviously a troll ... but I'll respond anyway ... My MagSafe adapter has been fine. Apple's BTO options have always been high ... You have an OPTION to add extra RAM ... Apple's RAM is gauranteed ... third party ram is not. I have always bought my upgrades from other sources.

"Is it right to buy them?" Are you serious? It's...

2008-06-08T18:46:00.000-04:00

"Is it right to buy them?" Are you serious? It's fine. Apple is a multi-billion dollar multinational company. They do not care about me (otherwise why would Magsafe adapters only last a year and cost $80? Why would RAM be priced at $200 for 1 gig when I can get 2 gigs for $50 from Newegg?). Why on earth should I care about them?

Here is what I use my power adapter for:
1.

I'm not sure if you mean the actual adapter as "th...

2008-03-17T09:27:00.000-04:00

I'm not sure if you mean the actual adapter as "the fake one" or Apple's adapter. Apple's adapter is assembled by Compal - not Panasonic.

In my opinion ... Apple's adapter is a no brainer - not only from a design point of view but because of a convenience point of view. The Panasonic adapter they appear to be adapting is HUGE and bulky. The Apple adapter fits nicely with its cord wound

I can't necessarily disagree with your assertion t...

2008-03-16T12:13:00.000-04:00

I can't necessarily disagree with your assertion that this is unsafe, but I have to ask why you make it. If the actual adapter is made by Panasonic and is within the power range of the regular Magsafe what makes it unsafe? This is just a different style of plug and is probably the exact same as Apple is using.

Different manufacturers including iGo and Targus have been making third-party

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